Re: [Lynx-dev] latest mac edition of Lynx?

[Karen Lewellen]

Travis,
I have changed this question.
Please hear whatever you need to hear so you will choose to stop trying to 
justify your contribution, answering a question which as I illustrated 
is not what the person seeks.
For the record, I have a work associate here in Toronto using a 2011 
macbook pro to run their business.
So again, that you are not  actively engaged in running Lynx on your mac 
with  a braille display means that your contribution is not going to help 
Andrew.



On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:

> I actually do have a macbook, but it's a 2013 model, so it doesn't have the 
> latest version of macos on it, which is why I said (assuming the finder menus 
> haven't changed).  Everything else I said is 100 percent accurate.
>
> Lynx can easily be compiled on the mac if one wishes to do so.
>
> There are also projects like mac ports and others who do the compiling for 
> you (although generally not as a native mac executable), that will give you a 
> binary version of a program.  I also explained that using one of these 
> package systems once trashed my mac, and it may not be the option you would 
> want to use.
>
> I also answered the question about how to run it from finder, with an 
> explanation that a script might be necessary to create the environment you 
> want, because I don't know if the latest version of mac os uses the same 
> environment you'd get if you ran it from the terminal.
>
> All of these things are helpful to someone who knows what is being spoken 
> about.  If that isn't you, then simply pass along the message, and perhaps 
> the original poster will have enough knowledge to use the information.
>
> Again, I'm not knocking anyone here, but if you don't have the technical 
> knowledge to understand the answer, that doesn't make the answer wrong.
>
> You then tried to make it look like I was deliberately misunderstanding the 
> question, by stating something from the original conversation that had not 
> been mentioned in your original post.  I also answered that question, albeit 
> in a way that probably wasn't very nice, although it too was a 100 percent 
> correct answer.
>
> I say again, if you don't like the answers you're getting, perhaps it means 
> you aren't asking the right questions.
>
> I have never set out to deliberately offer false or misleading information.  
> Sometimes my answers may not be what the question specifically asks, but it's 
> always at least informational, and (usually) allows the original poster to 
> obtain the required information if only said person knows enough to 
> understand the answer.  I don't know the knowledge level of the person 
> asking the question, (neither does anyone else on the list), so you have to 
> expect answers that aren't always going to be what you expect, even if they 
> are correct.
>
> I freely admit that sometimes I answer the question you asked, instead of the 
> one you intended, even if the question you intended is understandable, 
> because I am trying to get you to understand that asking the correct question 
> is as important as obtaining the desired answer.
>
> I don't apologize for my answers, just as you shouldn't apologize for your 
> questions, again, if you don't like (or understand) the answers, it's easy 
> enough to restate the question or provide additional information that can 
> clarify the question, then you generally get closer to the answer you want.
>
> I do this, because I think it's important that folks ask the question they 
> want answered, not the question they think will provide the answer they 
> want.  A minor but important difference.
>
> I've seen mailing list discussions go on for months sometimes just because 
> someone didn't ask the proper question.
>
> Like I said, I'm guessing the question that the original person wanted 
> answered is what's the latest version of lynx that is already compiled and 
> can be downloaded and run on the mac w/no work, and where can it be obtained.
>
> That isn't what was asked, so I answered the question that was asked.
>
> Simple.
>
>
> On 6/22/2022 9:03 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >  Travis,
> >  By your own admission you do not have a working mac computer.
> >  While I appreciate what you believe you are doing, my hope was that
> >  someone directly involved with using Lynx in this system, now, currently,
> >  can   answer this question.
> >  You may believe you are helping, but speaking personally, you are not
> >  contributing to an actual meaningful answer.
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:
> >
> > >  In that case, the answer is:
> > > 
> > >  Lynx is a text-based web browser, and the mac equivalent is (wait for 
> > >  it)...
> > > 
> > >  Lynx.
> > > 
> > >  On 6/22/2022 8:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > >   no, that was not the question at all.
> > > >   In fact, this person has a Braille display and cannot get voice 
> > > >  dream
> > > >   reader for  the mac to work well.
> > > >   i shared how I use lynx, load the .xml file provided by bookshare 
> > > >  and save
> > > >   it  as a text file, stating clearly that I am not   using the mac 
> > > >  to do
> > > >   this, or using braille  at all.
> > > >   Their question was.
> > > >   Karen, what is lynx, and what is the mac equivalent?
> > > >   So, probably for a conversation to which you are not  a party 
> > > >  indeed
> > > >   makes things complicated...and a longer thread.
> > > >   karen
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >   The simple answer is that the latest version of lynx available 
> > > >  for mac >  is the same exact version of lynx available for any other 
> > > >  platform, >  (whatever that may be at the time of asking).
> > > > > >   My answer was simply an explanation of how versions that were 
> > > >  not posted >  on the web site (if indeed they were posted) could be 
> > > >  created for the >  mac.
> > > > > >   Not trying to be difficult here, but the question the original 
> > > > person >   probably wanted to know is:
> > > > > >   What version of lynx is posted on the official site for OSX.
> > > > > >   Since that wasn't the question actually presented, I simply 
> > > >  answered how >  the original poster could obtain the latest version 
> > > >  of lynx with some >  information about having trouble with a 
> > > >  particular package system, >  thereby warning them they could use 
> > > >  said system, but that it might cause >  them problems.
> > > > > >   Nothing says you have to like the answer I gave, but to be 
> > > >  perfectly >  fair, it is a valid answer, whether you like the answer 
> > > >  or not.
> > > > > > >   On 6/22/2022 7:59 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > >    Travis,
> > > > > >    As expressed, this question is not for me, with your answers 
> > > > far > >   afield
> > > > > >    from the  simple information sought.
> > > > > >    on the lynx.browser.org page mac os x is listed as an option, 
> > > > with > >   my
> > > > > >    recalling  a list member getting help using that edition for 
> > > > > > site
> > > > > >    testing.
> > > > > >    However, that does not tell me what the current lynx edition 
> > > >  is for > >  mac,
> > > > > >    which is the question I was asked.
> > > > > >    best,
> > > > > >    Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > >    On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:
> > > > > > > > >    Been a while since I had a working mac, but last time I 
> > > >  did, > >  compiling >  one from source was trivial, and caused no 
> > > >  issues. (this > >  is almost >  always how I handle opensource 
> > > >  software), especially > >  since on mac, the > macports they have 
> > > >  that is supposed to make things > >  easier trashed my >  machine 
> > > >  once, so I will never use that > > particular cludge again.  On the 
> > > > >   other hand, the lynx download > >  page does have various 
> > > >  versions, though I >  don't know if there's > >  one there for mac 
> > > >  or not.
> > > > > > > >    As far as putting it into a section on the finder menus, 
> > > >  that's > >  easy >  enough (assuming it hasn't changed), just use 
> > > >  root access to > >  copy the >  program to the folder in question, 
> > > >  and problem solved. On > >  the other >  hand, since it's a terminal 
> > > >  program, you may need to > >  create a script to >  launch it with 
> > > >  the particular environment you > >  want, as I'm not sure if >  it 
> > > >  picks up the terminal defaults when > >  being launched from finder.
> > > > > > > >    Probably doesn't answer the question, but it may give 
> > > > enough > >   for the >  original poster to figure out what's 
> > > > enough > > necessary.
> > > > > > > > >    On 6/22/2022 10:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > > > >     Hi folks,
> > > > > > > >     A question from the voiceover list to which I belong.
> > > > > > > >     I recall that there is a lynx compile for mac os X but am 
> > > > > >   unsure of > >  how
> > > > > > > >     updated.  Also can lynx be say added to the browser > > 
> > > > applications > >    folder,
> > > > > > > >     or must it be run in terminal?
> > > > > > > >     Thanks,
> > > > > > > >     Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > 
> > >