Re: [Lynx-dev] latest mac edition of Lynx?

[Travis Siegel]

I actually do have a macbook, but it's a 2013 model, so it doesn't have 
the latest version of macos on it, which is why I said (assuming the 
finder menus haven't changed).  Everything else I said is 100 percent 
accurate.

Lynx can easily be compiled on the mac if one wishes to do so.

There are also projects like mac ports and others who do the compiling 
for you (although generally not as a native mac executable), that will 
give you a binary version of a program.  I also explained that using one 
of these package systems once trashed my mac, and it may not be the 
option you would want to use.

I also answered the question about how to run it from finder, with an 
explanation that a script might be necessary to create the environment 
you want, because I don't know if the latest version of mac os uses the 
same environment you'd get if you ran it from the terminal.

All of these things are helpful to someone who knows what is being 
spoken about.  If that isn't you, then simply pass along the message, 
and perhaps the original poster will have enough knowledge to use the 
information.

Again, I'm not knocking anyone here, but if you don't have the technical 
knowledge to understand the answer, that doesn't make the answer wrong.

You then tried to make it look like I was deliberately misunderstanding 
the question, by stating something from the original conversation that 
had not been mentioned in your original post.  I also answered that 
question, albeit in a way that probably wasn't very nice, although it 
too was a 100 percent correct answer.

I say again, if you don't like the answers you're getting, perhaps it 
means you aren't asking the right questions.

I have never set out to deliberately offer false or misleading 
information.  Sometimes my answers may not be what the question 
specifically asks, but it's always at least informational, and (usually) 
allows the original poster to obtain the required information if only 
said person knows enough to understand the answer.  I don't know the 
knowledge level of the person asking the question, (neither does anyone 
else on the list), so you have to expect answers that aren't always 
going to be what you expect, even if they are correct.

I freely admit that sometimes I answer the question you asked, instead 
of the one you intended, even if the question you intended is 
understandable, because I am trying to get you to understand that asking 
the correct question is as important as obtaining the desired answer.

I don't apologize for my answers, just as you shouldn't apologize for 
your questions, again, if you don't like (or understand) the answers, 
it's easy enough to restate the question or provide additional 
information that can clarify the question, then you generally get closer 
to the answer you want.

I do this, because I think it's important that folks ask the question 
they want answered, not the question they think will provide the answer 
they want.  A minor but important difference.

I've seen mailing list discussions go on for months sometimes just 
because someone didn't ask the proper question.

Like I said, I'm guessing the question that the original person wanted 
answered is what's the latest version of lynx that is already compiled 
and can be downloaded and run on the mac w/no work, and where can it be 
obtained.

That isn't what was asked, so I answered the question that was asked.

Simple.


On 6/22/2022 9:03 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Travis,
> By your own admission you do not have a working mac computer.
> While I appreciate what you believe you are doing, my hope was that 
> someone directly involved with using Lynx in this system, now, 
> currently, can   answer this question.
> You may believe you are helping, but speaking personally, you are not 
> contributing to an actual meaningful answer.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> > In that case, the answer is:
> >
> > Lynx is a text-based web browser, and the mac equivalent is (wait for 
> > it)...
> >
> > Lynx.
> >
> > On 6/22/2022 8:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > >  no, that was not the question at all.
> > >  In fact, this person has a Braille display and cannot get voice dream
> > >  reader for  the mac to work well.
> > >  i shared how I use lynx, load the .xml file provided by bookshare 
> > > and save
> > >  it  as a text file, stating clearly that I am not   using the mac 
> > > to do
> > >  this, or using braille  at all.
> > >  Their question was.
> > >  Karen, what is lynx, and what is the mac equivalent?
> > >  So, probably for a conversation to which you are not  a party indeed
> > >  makes things complicated...and a longer thread.
> > >  karen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:
> > >
> > > >  The simple answer is that the latest version of lynx available 
> > > for mac >  is the same exact version of lynx available for any other 
> > > platform, >  (whatever that may be at the time of asking).
> > > > >  My answer was simply an explanation of how versions that were 
> > > not posted >  on the web site (if indeed they were posted) could be 
> > > created for the >  mac.
> > > > >  Not trying to be difficult here, but the question the original 
> > > person >  probably wanted to know is:
> > > > >  What version of lynx is posted on the official site for OSX.
> > > > >  Since that wasn't the question actually presented, I simply 
> > > answered how >  the original poster could obtain the latest version 
> > > of lynx with some >  information about having trouble with a 
> > > particular package system, >  thereby warning them they could use 
> > > said system, but that it might cause >  them problems.
> > > > >  Nothing says you have to like the answer I gave, but to be 
> > > perfectly >  fair, it is a valid answer, whether you like the answer 
> > > or not.
> > > > > >  On 6/22/2022 7:59 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > >   Travis,
> > > > >   As expressed, this question is not for me, with your answers 
> > > far > >  afield
> > > > >   from the  simple information sought.
> > > > >   on the lynx.browser.org page mac os x is listed as an option, 
> > > with > >  my
> > > > >   recalling  a list member getting help using that edition for site
> > > > >   testing.
> > > > >   However, that does not tell me what the current lynx edition 
> > > is for > >  mac,
> > > > >   which is the question I was asked.
> > > > >   best,
> > > > >   Karen
> > > > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:
> > > > > > > >   Been a while since I had a working mac, but last time I 
> > > did, > >  compiling >  one from source was trivial, and caused no 
> > > issues. (this > >  is almost >  always how I handle opensource 
> > > software), especially > >  since on mac, the > macports they have 
> > > that is supposed to make things > >  easier trashed my >  machine 
> > > once, so I will never use that > > particular cludge again.  On the 
> > > >  other hand, the lynx download > >  page does have various 
> > > versions, though I >  don't know if there's > >  one there for mac 
> > > or not.
> > > > > > >   As far as putting it into a section on the finder menus, 
> > > that's > >  easy >  enough (assuming it hasn't changed), just use 
> > > root access to > >  copy the >  program to the folder in question, 
> > > and problem solved. On > >  the other >  hand, since it's a terminal 
> > > program, you may need to > >  create a script to >  launch it with 
> > > the particular environment you > >  want, as I'm not sure if >  it 
> > > picks up the terminal defaults when > >  being launched from finder.
> > > > > > >   Probably doesn't answer the question, but it may give 
> > > enough > >  for the >  original poster to figure out what's necessary.
> > > > > > > >   On 6/22/2022 10:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > > >    Hi folks,
> > > > > > >    A question from the voiceover list to which I belong.
> > > > > > >    I recall that there is a lynx compile for mac os X but am 
> > > > >  unsure of > >  how
> > > > > > >    updated.  Also can lynx be say added to the browser > > 
> > > applications > >   folder,
> > > > > > >    or must it be run in terminal?
> > > > > > >    Thanks,
> > > > > > >    Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >