Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?

[Jude DaShiell]

Apparently amazon cell phone apps fail to detect screen readers running
and take appropriate login actions too.

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:42:31
> From: Karen Lewellen <address@hidden>
> To: Jude DaShiell <address@hidden>
> Cc: Alejandro Lieber <address@hidden>, address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
>
> Oh I can top that
> the sign in page has no alt tags  letting you know where to place e-mail
> address or password, and is 15 pages long with no functional links on almost
> all of them.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > If you can't get past the graphical captcha that accessible page is
> > useless.
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:29:43
> >> From: Karen Lewellen <address@hidden>
> >> To: Jude DaShiell <address@hidden>
> >> Cc: Alejandro Lieber <address@hidden>, address@hidden
> >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
> >>
> >> Jude,
> >> Your comment about the cell phone is quite important, because amazon is
> >> presenting  the www.amazon.com/access page for  those wanting a simplified
> >> experience, stating it is comparative to the mobile one.
> >> Alejandro, I echo  Jude's question about the audio challenge, since others
> >> here even without using a screen reader, cannot play it.
> >> Likewise I take it amazon is accepting all of your lynx cookies?  You are
> >> not
> >> getting the error requesting that you turn cookies  on?
> >> lastly, which ms dos are you running, and how did you install that edition
> >> of
> >> Lynx?  My understanding was that there were windows binaries only, not dos
> >> ones.
> >> While I do not   wish to  make this about the use of screen readers, I am
> >> interested if your experience differs from those reported by others  where
> >> this amazon issue is concerned.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm sure it does, you don't use a screen reader though which means you
> >>> have no trouble with the captcha.  Have you tried playing the audio
> >>> challenge and if so were you able to hear it?  What's happening with
> >>> lynx and amazon is also happening on cell phones too.  I did a factory
> >>> reset on the cell phone and accessibility won't be enabled until Staff
> >>> comes over and turns it on for me.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 07:00:13
> >>>> From: Alejandro Lieber <address@hidden>
> >>>> To: address@hidden
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
> >>>>
> >>>> Karen:
> >>>>
> >>>> I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC
> >>>> and 8
> >>>> MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alejandro Lieber
> >>>>
> >>>> A port for MSDOS, by Ju?n Manuel Guerrero:
> >>>>
> >>>> "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? DJGPP specific changes.
> >>>> ? =======================
> >>>> ? This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka
> >>>> lynx2.9.0dev.4)
> >>>> ? available as:
> >>>> https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is
> >>>> available
> >>>> ? or not.? If LFN support is available then the original posix style file
> >>>> ? names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using
> >>>> iso-8859-1
> >>>> as
> >>>> ? it is in the current code.? It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain
> >>>> DOS
> >>>> ? as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other
> >>>> non-english
> >>>> ? texts shall be displayed.? You can always select another character set
> >>>> by
> >>>> ? either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing
> >>>> lynx.cfg
> >>>> ? acordingly.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable
> >>>> is
> >>>> ? set to a writable directory or it will refuse to start.? To alleviate
> >>>> this
> >>>> ? situation, if HOME is not set, the current directory will be used
> >>>> instead
> >>>> ? by this port version.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The port has been configured using the configure script provided by the
> >>>> ? source package.? This means that neither old DJGPP specific scripts nor
> >>>> ? makefiles distributed by the package have been used.? A lot of the
> >>>> porting
> >>>> ? work has been invested in the DJGPP specific configuration scripts.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? This port has been configured to be compiled with BZIP2, ZIP and
> >>>> PDCURSES
> >>>> ? support.? This means that if you want to recompile the preconfigured
> >>>> sources
> >>>> ? you must have installed the following ports:
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2apps/bz2-106ar2.zip
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/zlb1211b.zip
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/pdcur38a.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The port has been configured and build without NLS support enabled.
> >>>> ? To enable this feature, the latest ports of libiconv and gettext must
> >>>> be
> >>>> ? installed:
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/licv116b.zip
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/gtxt201b.zip
> >>>> ? If you prefer NLS, then reconfigure the sources passing the nls flag to
> >>>> the
> >>>> ? config.bat file.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The port has been configured with OPENSSL support.? OpenSSL support
> >>>> requires
> >>>> ? installing the WATT-32 port.? The following ports have been used:
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/ssl102sb.zip
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/wat3211b.zip
> >>>> ? No other versions have been tested.? To be able to use this program
> >>>> compiled
> >>>> ? with OpenSSL and WATT-32 a noise source must be installed.? A noise
> >>>> source
> >>>> ? can be obtained as:
> >>>> http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/noise063a2.zip
> >>>> ? If for some reason you decide to reconfigure the source package, then
> >>>> you
> >>>> ? will have to set the WATT_ROOT environment variable to point to the
> >>>> ? directory where the headers and the library reside.? This is:
> >>>> ??? set WATT_ROOT=/dev/env/DJDIR/net/watt
> >>>>
> >>>> ? To be able to run the program, configuration files are expected to be
> >>>> found
> >>>> ? at their canonical place.? This is the /dev/env/DJDIR/etc directory.?
> >>>> The
> >>>> ? configuration files lynx.cfg and lynx.css are stored in the /etc
> >>>> directory
> >>>> ? and reflect, to certain extent, the conditions during the configuration
> >>>> and
> >>>> ? compilation process of this port.? You may need to adjust the entries
> >>>> to
> >>>> fit
> >>>> ? your requiriments.? If lynx.cfg and lynx.css are not found at their
> >>>> canonical
> >>>> ? place then the program will try to load them from the installation
> >>>> directory
> >>>> ? of lynx.? To run the program, a working version of wattcp.cfg is
> >>>> required.
> >>>> ? This file is __NOT__ distributed with this port.? That file will
> >>>> reflect
> >>>> ? your network environment and hardware.? It is the user's job write
> >>>> one that
> >>>> ? matches his environment.? As a starting point you can use the one
> >>>> distributed
> >>>> ? with the WATT-32 port.? Please note that the location of wattcp.cfg
> >>>> must
> >>>> be
> >>>> ? specified by setting the WATTCP.CFG environment variable.? This can be
> >>>> done
> >>>> ? either in the environment, in autoexec.bat or in djgpp.env.? If the
> >>>> file
> >>>> ? cannot be found at any of the canonical places the program will try
> >>>> to load
> >>>> ? it from the installation directory of lynx.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? To be able to run the program, a DOS packet driver (PKTDRVR) is
> >>>> required.
> >>>> ? This may be obtained from the card manufacturer or from one of the
> >>>> archives
> >>>> ? of packet drivers (such as
> >>>> "http://www.lanet.lv/simtel.net/msdos/pktdrvr-pre.html";
> >>>> ? or
> >>>> "http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/pktdrvr/";).
> >>>> ? Even when only browsing local files, a NULLPKT packet driver is
> >>>> required
> >>>> like
> >>>> ? nullpkt.zip.? The zip file can be downloaded as:
> >>>> http://www.jumpjet.info/Application-Software/DOS/Hardware/2/NULLPKT/NULLPKT.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The lynx executable itself handles http:, https:, ftp:, file:, news:,
> >>>> nntp:
> >>>> ? and gopher: protocols. You will need external programs if you want to
> >>>> access
> >>>> ? telnet:, tn3270:, or mailto: URLs.? In this case a port of kermit may
> >>>> be
> >>>> ? required.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? Please note that lynx does _NOT_ support javascript at all.? So nothing
> >>>> will
> >>>> ? work that requires this feature.? If you need this, look for a
> >>>> different
> >>>> text
> >>>> ? web browser.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? It is important to realize that this port is a _PURE_ DOS port.? If for
> >>>> some
> >>>> ? reason you want to use lynx under Windows, you should download a
> >>>> windows
> >>>> port
> >>>> ? of lynx.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? If you decide to use this port as stand alone program then you can set
> >>>> the
> >>>> ? following environment variables to point to the required configuration
> >>>> files:
> >>>> ??? LYNX_CFG????? Set to the full path and filename for lynx.cfg
> >>>> ??? LYNX_LSS????? Set to the full path and filename for lynx.lss
> >>>> ??? WATTCP.CFG??? Set to the full path for the WATTCP.CFG directory
> >>>> ??? SSL_CERT_FILE Set to the full path and filename for your file of
> >>>> ????????????????? trusted certificates
> >>>> ? As a last resort, if the above environment variables are not set, the
> >>>> ? program will try to load those files from its installation directory.
> >>>> ? There is also a batch file stored in the /share/lynx_doc/samples
> >>>> directory
> >>>> ? that shows how to run lynx as a stand alone application.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The DJGPP port now checks the OS version it is running on.? If it is
> >>>> equal
> >>>> ? or less than MSDOS 6.22 the double quotes around the file name passed
> >>>> to
> >>>> ? edit.com will be removed.? If this is not done, edit.com refuses to
> >>>> start.
> >>>> ? For OS like Win95 and above this is not necessary.? edit.com is the
> >>>> editor
> >>>> ? used by lynx at last resort.? The program's behaviour is not changed if
> >>>> an
> >>>> ? editor different from edit.com is selected in lynx.cfg.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The DJGPP port now checks if LFN support is available.? If available
> >>>> then
> >>>> ? files with a leading dot are allowed/supported in case that this has
> >>>> been
> >>>> ? allowed by setting NO_DOT_FILES to FALSE in lynx.cfg.? In all previous
> >>>> ? versions, the setting of this value had absolute no influence in
> >>>> program's
> >>>> ? behavior if compiled with DJGPP.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? When connecting to a site via https, lynx will require that a file of
> >>>> ? trusted certificates is available.? It is your's responsability to
> >>>> create
> >>>> ? such a file and the port will _NEVER_ provide one.? This .PEM file is
> >>>> created
> >>>> ? using openssl tools.? Read the openssl documentation.? A working linux
> >>>> ? installation provides always one.? It may be found by its name
> >>>> ca-bundle.pem
> >>>> ? or similar.? In the end it must be a file in PEM format.? Store it
> >>>> where
> >>>> you
> >>>> ? like and point to it by setting the corresponding lynx environment
> >>>> variable
> >>>> ? like this:
> >>>> ??? set SSL_CERT_FILE=/dev/env/DJDIR/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.pem
> >>>> ? Of course the value propossed is arbitrary and reflects the way I
> >>>> have done
> >>>> ? it for my own installation of lynx.? A starting point for reading about
> >>>> how
> >>>> ? to create your own PEM files is:
> >>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lynx-dev/2002-12/msg00043.html
> >>>> ? It describes how to create one using the trusted certificates provide
> >>>> by
> >>>> the
> >>>> ? microsoft IE.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? I have tested this port by trying to access all sites that are listed
> >>>> in:
> >>>> https://royal.pingdom.com/using-web-browser-lynx-visit-top-websites/
> >>>> ? and I have experienced no issues.? I have also accessed some german and
> >>>> ? spanish sites to check if the special native characters are correctly
> >>>> ? displayed and I have found no issues.? I have also accessed
> >>>> www.delorie.com
> >>>> ? to check if the ftp support works well and if the cvs repository can be
> >>>> ? accessed via cvsweb interface and everthing works flawlessly. Of
> >>>> course,
> >>>> ? the mail archives can also be accessed without issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? Please note that I am not a lynx user.? I have ported it as a real
> >>>> world
> >>>> ? test for the OpenSSL and WATT-32 ports.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? Only to make this point clear, if you want to use lynx as a stand alone
> >>>> ? program without having to care about environment variables, copy
> >>>> lynx.exe,
> >>>> ? lynx.cfg and lynx.lss into the same directory and it will work. When
> >>>> copying
> >>>> ? the .PEM file it must be renamed to "cert.pem".? This is mandatory or
> >>>> it
> >>>> will
> >>>> ? not be found!
> >>>>
> >>>> ? As usual, all djgpp specific files (diffs, README files, etc.) are
> >>>> stored
> >>>> ? in the /djgpp directory.? The sources have been configured to be build
> >>>> in
> >>>> ? the "_build" directory.? If for some reason it does not work for you,
> >>>> ? delete it contents and configure from scratch again.
> >>>>
> >>>> ? Please read the docs very __CAREFULLY__ to become familiar with the
> >>>> product.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ? Here is an extract of the CHANGES file showing the user visible changes
> >>>> from
> >>>> ? the last port (Lynx 2.9.0dev.1) to this one:
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> 2019-08-26 (2.9.0dev.4)
> >>>> * revert change to port-handling in 2.9.0dev.3 changes for gophermap
> >>>> (report
> >>>> by
> >>>> ? Martijn Dekker).
> >>>> * add ro.po, update de.po, et.po, tr.po, vi.po from
> >>>> http://translationproject.org/latest/lynx
> >>>>
> >>>> 2019-08-25 (2.9.0dev.3)
> >>>> * modify gophermap menu-parsing to handle "h" HTML selectors similarly to
> >>>> the
> >>>> ? command-line parsing, which avoids hex-encoding the parameter
> >>>> delimiters
> >>>> ? "?", "=", ";" as well as "#" (report by Tobias Girstmair) -TD
> >>>> * make redirection-limit configurable, defaulting to 10 -TD
> >>>> * remove alert when relative base href is seen, since HTML5 allows for
> >>>> this
> >>>> ? (report by Sylvain Bertrand) -TD
> >>>> * modify lynx.iss to use statically-linked bzip2 and gzip programs, and
> >>>> to
> >>>> ? eliminate a spurious warning when attempting to remove an optional DLL
> >>>> -TD
> >>>> * fix a few coverity warnings -TD
> >>>> * revise HTSimplify to eliminate a redundant "." segment at the beginning
> >>>> of a
> >>>> ? path, referring to RFC 3986 5.2.4 (report by Alejandro Lieber) -TD
> >>>>
> >>>> 2019-07-31 (2.9.0dev.2)
> >>>> * improved several configure macros, including workaround for non-POSIX
> >>>> ? issue with BSDs.
> >>>> * fix typo in iso15_uni.tbl (Robert Bell)
> >>>> * update de.po from
> >>>> http://translationproject.org/latest/lynx
> >>>> * update config.guess (2019-06-10), config.sub (2019-06-30)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ? The port consists of the usual three packages that have been produced
> >>>> using
> >>>> ? djdev205 (CVS repository code) and can be downloaded from
> >>>> ftp.delorie.com
> >>>> ? and mirrors as (time stamp 2019-08-31):
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ??? Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 binaries, scripts and man format documentation:
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/lx290d4b.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> ??? Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 html format documentation and sample files:
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/lx290d4d.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> ??? Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 source:
> >>>> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/lx290d4s.zip
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ? Send Lynx utils specific bug reports to <address@hidden>.
> >>>> ? Send suggestions and bug reports concerning the DJGPP port to
> >>>> ? comp.os.msdos.djgpp or <address@hidden>.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Enjoy.
> >>>>
> >>>> ??? Guerrero, Juan Manuel <address@hidden>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/9/19 00:18, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>>>> Thomas, Ian,
> >>>>> Thomas I? personally can do nothing whatsoever with the snapshop.
> >>>>> because
> >>>>> of? how I use a computer,? and the lack of pure dos compiles of Lynx
> >>>>> recently, my only access to the browser, or to the internet in general
> >>>>> comes? via? using ssh telnet to reach shellworld.
> >>>>> Ian, if you choose to access this snapshot, can you test for
> >>>>> improvements?
> >>>>> I will likely have to wait first for its incorporation into a lynx
> >>>>> edition,
> >>>>> then? to how? these changes might be incorporated into shellworld before
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> try.
> >>>>> Regardless I am reporting to Amazon, so a test of some kind will be
> >>>>> helpful.
> >>>>> Kare
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Lynx-dev mailing list
> >>>> address@hidden
> >>>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Lynx-dev mailing list
> >>> address@hidden
> >>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>

--