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Re: GNUstep on Hackernews
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Gustavo Tavares |
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Re: GNUstep on Hackernews |
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Tue, 14 Dec 2021 13:58:44 -0400 |
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Hi all,
My 2 cents: market it as Cocoa / DevToolkit.
Make the “Hero” element on the webpage a “Hello World” style program with a link tk download it. (Sidenote-would add an automatically installed helper tool such as `gsteprun` which will compile and run a 1-file program that does not need a Makefile.
Right below link to a “Hello World” GUI version.
The Distribuition is a big cherry on top which to my eye, distracts from the power offered by the DevKit.
This is the best DevKit.
Not sure how many of you use GNUstep as a daily driver—but I don’t see myself using the app environment as my daily anytime soon. I think there are more people like me out there. When and if the time comes I could switch—but far more people will come to the project if the toolkit is put front and center.
Cocoa is the bicycle for the mind.
G
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote:
I have to admit to being very happy that many people have changed their minds about GNUstep, but this subject... HelloSystem actually has me pretty irritated.
Hi all,
Sent: 14/12/2021 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: GNUstep on Hackernews
They evaluated us and discarded GNUstep on what basis? I had no
interaction with any of them nor did i see things on the mailing list.
The hello system thing was preceded by Livestep, which was fully GNUstep based and which Steven and I almost used as the basis for the [objc retain]; stream before switching to Debian. The design rationale for hello describes Qt as a pragmatic choice for UI toolkit while GNUstep "doesn't really leap forward into the present time"
https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/wiki/Welcome-and-unwelcome-technologies.
Just like every other project they seem to dismiss us without actually speaking to any of us. I have posted a question asking why none of us were consulted and requested that they remove the remark from their wiki. I am appalled that they didn't even bother. What does "leap into the present time" even mean.
That's one of those frustrating ideas that is probably part perception and part reality (probono did after all make a full GNUstep live image and worked on PureDarwin so has reached this conclusion from a position of some experience) but that doesn't have enough information to resolve. _What_ does a "present time" Cocoa reimplementation have, or look like, that GNUstep lacks?
It seems to look okay, so what was the problem?!
Does GNUstep actually lack that? We could ask him…I doubt to change his mind back to adopting GNUstep, but to see where what we have and what others want can come together.
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Re: GNUstep on Hackernews, Gregory Casamento, 2021/12/13
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