Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Ivan Vučica]

Which are vast, complicated and take a lot of time, effort, focus and planning to be tackled (much less resolved).

It's hardly enough to point at what consumer wants (or else even I would have been able to singlehandedly make GNUstep the number-one platform), it's much harder to cut it down to a sensible, ordered, organised set of requirements that can be tackled by a good and focused team, and even harder is it to convince potential users that this is what they really want.

So... Yes. Darling is something that by itself can't change much. It's great to have and try and use as basis for finding issues in our implementation. It's not a good goal by itself. Short term, a good dev tool. Long term, a nice wine-like thing that can be used to enhance free platforms.

But just saying "this is what customer wants" without considering if it is a viable motivating short term goal? Without considering that it is a moonshot (a great moonshot, but still a moonshot)? That's unrealistic, raises expectations unnecessarily and does not help in providing for-GNUstep developers the tools needed to deliver quality GNUstep-first apps.

A cash register, a cloud manager, an invoicing app, etc.

On 21 Nov 2013 20:27, "Gregory Casamento" <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:

I wasn't attempting to describe what people will or won't care about only the technical issues which lay in the way of accomplishing it. 

GC

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Markus Hitter <mah@jump-ing.de> wrote:

Am 19.11.2013 16:25, schrieb Gregory Casamento:

> Darling itself is a binary loader which allows Darwin binaries to be run on
> other platforms.   The problem is that GNUstep currently lacks some of the
> frameworks these applications need to run.   Completing of this goal would
> entail much more than just working on the loader.

Not that this isn't right, but do you think people care about such
details? To my observation they think more like:

- Will <insert favourite app here> work?

- Where do I click?

- Where can I pay?

This implies the expectation to have it running on the favourite
platform and to have a simple, dummy-proof way to get it started. No
expectations on the technical details.

Please don't understand this as disrespect against technical oriented
people. There are many of them, but they're not the typical kind of
person bringing projects into the six-digit backing range. Non-technical
consumers compensate for their lack of expertise by shelling out money
happily and a lot more often.

Markus

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