Re: [Chicken-users] [Chicken-hackers] Any thoughts on performance woes?

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On 07/04/15 22:59, Christian Kellermann wrote:
> * Felix Winkelmann <address@hidden> [150407 10:41]:

> > That is (among a few other reasons) why I don't do much Scheme or Lisp
> > programming anymore - thinking about the community, reading all this
> > bullshit makes me sick.
>
> comp.lang.lisp/scheme is in ruins for most things. But I would not say
> that the 6-7 (regular) abusive posters there define the "community".
>
> Driven by countless snobbish books and articles the (passive/)agressive
> tone towards others seems to be *part* of the culture.
>
> But I think this is somewhat changeing albeit slowly. This fine
> community and its open attitude is one example but I have found guile
> people and others equally attitude free (with exceptions on all sides of
> course, but most of the active projects strive for a friendly
> atmosphere). After all who wants to spend their free time around abusive
> assholes?

I would also caution against generalising from Usenet to some wider 
community.  I haven't visited comp.lang.scheme in years, but I am on my 
second go at trying to make sense of Forth, so I've been lurking in 
comp.lang.forth, and it's also kind of problematic, due largely to a 
small handful of problematic personalities (one at least is engaging in 
the same behaviour as he did in c.l.s years ago: anyone remember 
gavino?).  If those people disappeared, it would suddenly become a 
largely pleasant place.

Unfortunately open access, low barriers to entry, and no moderation it's 
simply too easy for difficult people to ruin life for everyone, 
(including of course brining out the worse in people who would otherwise 
be better), forever.

My impression of the online Scheme community some years ago (largely in 
the form of #scheme on freenode) was extremely positive: people were 
helpful and good-natured and fun almost always.  The regulars were, to 
my knowledge and recollection, not for the most part especially 
influential schemers (although John and Alex had some presence), but I 
did interact with (or at least see some interaction with) people like 
Marc Feely, Anton van Straaten, Felix (pretty sure?), Alaric, et. al.

They all seemed like thoroughly nice people, and it's hard to believe 
the intervening years have turned them all nasty...

(and the Chicken list is also quite fine)

-arc.